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A finite-entropy separation of microstates and nonmicrostates free entropy
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Abstract
We answer the finite-entropy equality question for microstates and nonmicrostates free entropy negatively. We construct a bounded self-adjoint tuple X in a von Neumann algebra with faithful normal tracial state such that $-\infty\lt \chi(X)\leq\chi^*(X)-\tfrac12\lt \infty$. Here χ is the original microstates entropy with an operator-norm cutoff and a limsup over matrix sizes. The counterexample uses a large but fixed number of variables.
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Follow-up works
- David Jekel, On counterexamples to the unification of free entropy (arXiv:2610.27243, 19 Oct 2026). Cites this preprint as the first example with $-\infty<\chi<\chi^*$, and presents a similar example with a diffuse (semicircular) last variable in place of the discrete one, proving the gap through a Wasserstein-distance lower bound instead of the data-processing argument.
Formalization
- mathcommunity/oai-math-revised, lean/docs/298.md (Lean scope notes of the release). States that the formalization constructs a bounded self-adjoint tuple with $-\infty<\chi(X)\le\chi^*(X)-1/2<\infty$, using operator-norm cutoff and a limsup over matrix sizes, and links the comparator statement
FiniteEntropySeparation.lean. - OpenAI, lean/OAI/Analysis/FreeEntropy/Main.lean (openai/math, commit adc7f12). The release's Lean proof of the theorem
FiniteEntropySeparation.main, whose statement is given in the separate comparator file FiniteEntropySeparation.lean, wherechiandchiStarare defined from first principles.
Related prior literature mentioned by others
- David Jekel and Jennifer Pi, An Elementary Proof of the Inequality $\chi\leq\chi^*$ for Conditional Free Entropy (arXiv:2305.02574, 2023; revised 2024). The AI Proved What? episode links this comparison theorem as background; the manuscript uses its classical-to-free Fisher-information comparison to transfer the positive-time entropy deficit to the original tuple.
- M. Fathi and B. Nelson, Free Stein kernels and an improvement of the free logarithmic Sobolev inequality (arXiv:1605.05828; Adv. Math. 317, 2017). Jekel (arXiv:2610.27243) cites it as part of the free Stein-kernel literature providing context for the Stein-type identity used in this preprint; its free HSI inequality and entropic CLT also relate to the Sections 3–4 estimates relative to a semicircular family.
- C.-P. Diez, Free Stein kernels, free moment maps, and higher order derivatives (arXiv:2306.00967, 2023). Jekel cites it as related work for the same Stein-type identity; it relates higher-order free Stein discrepancies to relative free Fisher information and nonmicrostates free entropy.
Digests and expositions
- AI Proved What?, Both finite, still unequal? Voiculescu’s two free entropies (episode 298, October 2026). This video and accompanying transcript explain the two entropy definitions, the proposed block-structure and noise-scale argument, and the limitation to a very large fixed number of variables. [AI-generated per source]
Elsewhere
- VibeMathed: Problem record
- Emergent Mind: family 298
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Cite
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author = {{OpenAI}},
title = {{A finite-entropy separation of microstates and nonmicrostates free entropy}},
howpublished = {OpenAI Math Release preprint
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year = {2026}
}Lean formalization
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Family 298: Two notions of free entropy differ even when both are finite
Constructs a bounded self-adjoint tuple in a tracial von Neumann algebra whose microstates and nonmicrostates free entropies satisfy $-\infty\lt \chi\lt \chi^*\lt \infty$. This answers Voiculescu’s finite-entropy equality question negatively: the matrix-approximation and free-Fisher-information definitions differ even when both are finite.
This is the only paper in this family.